oo on my teams servers at the moment! There better be no drifting going on!

Quote from Duck :

It's easy to tell online because their little blue clutch bar pops up on each shift. AC doesn't show at all... In my experiences with BC and macro, they are both the same speed depending how well you use it, at times even the BC can be faster if you do a perfect shift, macro is more consistent though.

I mean how hard is it to tell button clutch from macro clutch. Like you and glenn said it "is? maybe?" possible to clutch faster than the macro with a perfect clutch. It seems they have started banning macro users on conedodger's and i was just curious of how easily mixed up the 2 could get.

Quote from birder :

I have just banned a top driver from all CD servers for using this cheat.

Please do not use any cheat on any CD servers at any time as this will always gain the user a life ban.

Is it easy to tell if the person is using the macro or just shifting really fast with button clutch? When I looked at the example on an SPR file it looked a bit unhumanly fast but I noticed online due to latencey and bits of lag its not always accurate to look at the accelerator/brake/clutch bars?

Im only asking this as some button clutchers may be banned falsley?
(just to note I iv not seen a macro clutcher online so can compare myself...or i just did not notice it..)

Its not a fact they made the AutoClutch intentionally slower just my thoughts on it Im sure if they wanted to they could speed up the autoclutch shift ingame, probably the same command/macro as the "macro" going around infact. Infact using the autoclutch is like using a slower version of the macro

Quote from sinbad :

Button clutch IS still an automatic clutch, you deserve no advantage at all for using it.

Well Button clutch already has an advantage over automatic clutch, as far as I know I can click the button clutch and gear up faster than I would with an automatic clutch. I think it was Glenn who also proved this in an earlier post?

If button clutch or pedal clutch was not faster than autoclutch, what would the point be using them when you have no apparent advantage other than shooting your self with more work to do and for the sake of realism on the pedals??? I know thats only my opinion on the subject and people have differern ideas. Its always interesting hearing other peoples

I use clutch button the same way. You assign a button to clutch, you then assign a button to gear up and another button to gear down. Then when you want to gear up you press the gear up and clutch butto nat the same time. Or you can hold the clutch button down and hit the gear up button although this is slower.

I thought auto clutch was left intentionally slow giving people who are willing to learn manual clutch a feeling of improvment? There for auto clutch should be kept slow, I can see why anyone would have an excuse for not using it, I can manual/button clutch on a ps2 joypad, iv know people who manual/key clutch on keyboard. You have to go through more effort to manual clutch therefor it should be faster.

Then it begs the question should button clutch be allowed to be faster than pedal clutch???? thats where this argument/debate should be at.

At the moment I am a Joypad user and use manual clutch and manual gears on a seperate buttons. Can someone correct me but during this thread I got the impression even using button clutch was seen as bad. I do realise the advantages of the button clutch though as in I would imagine I would be able to change gears ALOT faster than someone using a H shifter and pedals .
I actually talked about this subject of a macro to change gears and clutch before this thread but never thought someone would actually make one or even use it to their advantage .

To me using the macro shows laziness, and disrespect to the drivers who are doing it properly. I have been lapping on blackwood a few years but hit a brickwall at 1:33.45 at latest patch and see people doing much much lower times. Personally I put it down to my own driving but if people use this to get advantage over me then i would probably be a bit disapointed and upset? But am I doing the same thing by using manual clutch on a button to wheel users? if so I am sorry

Ps faster clutch DOES can increase stabilty and even maximum speed if you get the corners correct. I guess this macro helps with consistancey.

Done the memory test yet? thats what im betting on, I bought 2 gb of corsair memory new, made my computer bdod randomly or quicker when playing games. Turned out it was corrupt memory, if it is only 1 stick which is bust just remove the faulty one.

I would also go with over heating, maybe get some software where you can monitor the temperatures of you computers hardware such as graphics cpu and such. Or straight after it happens boot it up quickly and go int othe bios to check temperatures . Quite recently I had alot of trouble with the computer restarting randomly mainly i ngames due to a bad memory stick. this causes it to randomly crash when it starts using that corrupted memory. Usually games trigger this alot due to their memory usage. You can download Memory check software or even just change the memory with any old/new ones just to test if it crashes wit hthat in.

ps thanks for reminding me to take that duff DDR2 memory back to scan :/

on the PS3, as the motion sensors dont work yet on the pc drivers. Dont know if that is true though just read it somewhere.

CSU1 I remember a while ago did a bit of BF1 and LX racing, think the main problem was the spinning due to the sudden acceleration but changing the button control to a much lower number seemed to help loads. But still the sudden twitch's of the anolog sticks can still cause spins

Quote from N1Te :

PS3 Sixaxis motion sensitivity has no delays. Don't listen to him...

I played the other day, and it followed my movements exactly. Either the controller he used had low battery, was in bad condition, or the motion sensor in the PS3 was broken. All other times it was fine.

I used the motion sensors for steering on motorstorm and to me felt like there was a slight delay(Pad was charged). After doing some research I found mixed results people saying its "delayed" and also people saying its "too sensitive". I heard somewhere there may be an option to change this? If so I guess it does not matter as you would be able to tweak it to your own delight.

and CSU1, nice of you to join us and your "Guide: Using a Gamepad with LFS" has been very helpful

To an extent though I think LFS has dont quite well (far better than other games/sims) with joypad/mouse/keyboard support with crucial options such as: button control rates, Anolog steer smooth and such. I would like a wheel but room/time it would spend attached to my desk would be a hassle. Your opinion is very much welcome .Though so far I think I achieve quite reasonable results in the XFG im just a bit worried about faster/rear wheeled cars.

Could you not editthe stup it uses to have less brakes then? In theory if you right it should go a tiny bit faster

Before i Upgraded I had a 6600 and 6800 GT and this happened sometimes. You are absolutley you have not other prgrams running at same time? Mine was down to windows media player as I liked to play music as I drive. weird thing was some songs would cause lfs to fps drop, dunno ifIi was imagining it though. But Windows media play does lag LFS for sure.

Sont know what you mean BYN, I dont think its possible to set acceleration and brakes to on those sensors (like you would want to). The buttons/anolog sticks adn triggers are work nice on the PS3, i just said the "sixaxis motions" feature on the joypad had slightly delayed input.

haha very nice and entertaining!

Now lets turn this into a competition ! Post laptimes of blackwood in BF1 while playing god save the queen! (only joking or really bored)

atlantian,
it may have been me who understood you ( sorry, was not suppose to be an attack on you ). If you meant people who use heir digits for activites such as guitar/craftsmen I agree they would find it easier to adapt to a joypad easier. I just disagreed that brain cells have anything to do with it .

BYN,
I havent tried the PS3 Joypad yet on pc just from experience of using it on the Playstation 3 I thought the 6 axis motions sensors had a slight delay to your movement (game I used it on was motorstorm + that flying multiplayer one?). Dont know how sensitive the anolog sticks are on pc yet, need to steal a ps3 pad off my brother first

Quote from atlantian :

duuuuuude! no! the reason i didn't choose the six axies is because it has no analog triggers! the xbox allows for smooth control of the pedals, if you wanted buttons then why not buy a keyboard instead?


...and the tilting doesn't count... what are u going to do??? use the analog sticks as pedals and use the tilt for steering? or vica versa?

Obviously I did not want the sixaxies PS3 pad for the tilting feature, (infact iv played with the tilting feature on the ps3 and so far its terrible! slight delay from your movment). Im more comfortable holding a ps2/3 pad than an x-box 360 pad. And the benifit of having the PS3 was having the triggers, but you have just said that the triggers dont work (or are not anolog) so im guessing you have tried this already? Dont think brain cells have anything to do with how well you can multitask on a joypad, if you practice you adapt to that movement more easily therefore becoming more natural, that point almost looked as if it was an insult to people who dont use joypads from my point of view , Either way I play guitar so my digits are fairy competant.

Actually comparing both the joypads at the moment, the logitech one looks to have a bigger moving range m=but measuring them they seem to be fairly much the same Think the reason for this is that the Logitechs anolog stick sits in a square hole rather than the x-boxs circular one. Did some research and found some custom made drivers to make the PS3 pad work on pc! Obviously you have to keep it connected through the usb cable and dont know where the triggers actually work or are detected as buttons. They stated that the sixaxis sensors dont work yet but the wii remote sensors work on pc, so they seem to think they it may work in the future. If I get my hands on a PS3 controller soon ill post what I find

My brother has the logitech x-box chill stream pad but I found it the same problem with the x-box controllers (the movement for the anolog sticks is a bit small making it more sensative) The bonus with the logitech pad hough is that it comewith drivers that actually work for pc and as far as i know you can change the settings in logitech profiler. At the moment iv gone back to my Logitech Dual Action gamepad as that what im used to. The main thing missing on this gamepad is not having triggers, maybe if anyone knows of any PS3 joypads with triggers that work for pc let me know . Overall I think the sensitivity is down to personal preference, actually improved my times by upping it making it quite repsonsive as all my efforts just resulted in me turning my anolog stick left and the wheels trying to catch up . So far iv Balanced the wheels and the anolog stick to move at the same degree. I just need to be REALLY steady with my thumb which g=can get tiring for my thumb .

Still though looking at XFG on Bl1 I have gathered info that the WR holder "Stallone" used an x-box pad, so obviously hes comfortable with the sensitivity, also its interesting seeing his use of the triggers for brake and acceleration. Must find a ps3 pad compatable with pc

Amazing no flame! Put my sunglasses on and got the popcorn out for no reason. I agree with SamH, dont think the developers had police chases in mind. I liked the no flame approach to this thread so far, seems so dignified

Thought about a wheel but theirs quite limited space in the room with the computer. Also I play more other games than lfs so dont think im that dedicated that much to buy one. Well im dedicated to getting fast so maybe I should

Quote from BYN :

My current controller setting has been put in post #42.
I just did some typos in a previous post...
Maxing analogue steer smooth and wheel turn compensation should make things much easier. I don't even have to max those two.

Not all people use the max available steering locks. Even the people with wheels lower the steering locks sometimes. And if you watch the world records, you'll see they don't really use the whole range of the steering lock. Yes, if you lower your steering lock, it'll be a bit hard to get out of the garage (just going around the pits should be ok) but how often will you have to get out of the garage? In a race, you don't even have to... Try different setups and driving styles to see if there'll be any difference? Otherwise, maybe you have to use a wheel?

Edit: chris I just looked at the WR's for XFR/BL1. I didn't know your fastest lap time was so close to the WR! Well, a wheel may get you to the top!

yea im fairly close but seem to have hit a brick wall with lap times, no improvement over weeks. When watching the wr sets their steering seems alot smoother than mine which prevoked me on this manhunt for a less sensitive steering for the joypad at the moment 3 different joypads, wit h3 different programs but no answer yet . So testing more wit hcar setups and lower steeing locks again .

Im sure Max Steering Locks on all cars stard on max, eg they should all be on the highest. So an xfg standard set will usually have a maxsteering lock of 30, as far as I know lower the number the less sensative it is, and higher the number the higher sensitivity. lowest iv got with max steering lock in XFG is 15 and thats LOW, i know this because when I pull out of the pit to qualify I dont have enough pit lane to actually turn out at that low speed

dont know if my version of LFS is screwed up because your confusing with the values you are using on your setups? such as you having Anolog steer smooth on 5. My LFS only allows me the minimum of 0.00 and maximum of 0.95, if you did manage to get 5 im curious how you did this as it would be a great help to get more than 0.95.

Last edited by lil chris, Sun 20 Jan 2008, 00:59.

I mainly drive the XFG around blackwood and achieve quite reasonably fast laps times, but I feel I could go faster and more efficient if my wheels were turning smoothing instead of quite dramatic wild turns. so far in XFG my setting were
anolog smooth steer = 0.95 (max)
wheel turn compensation = 1.00 (max)
Max Steering lock = 19 (standard is 30)

as far as I know the steering lock on 19 is really low as anyone else who gets my set amusingly ends up driving straight off the track trying to turn for hte corner!

found a quite reasonable setting with the pinacle profiler with Mouse spring but then unfortuantly said "my trial has excided its 30 days trial period of 30 days"...Only used it for 2 days.... Still its lets me use it for 15 minutes at a time before closing so if i get the triggers working ill let you know.

Quote from Zachary Zoomy :

you can get a 2 wheeled XFG. you just can't hold it like that for very long!

Actually in patch Y its alot easier to do 2 wheels in XFG, I could do it in both patches and find the car seems more balanced on 2 wheels than older patch. Could prolly get close to a minute maybe I should ty and youtube it